IBIS Macromodel Task Group Meeting date: 18 Sep 2012 Members (asterisk for those attending): Agilent: * Fangyi Rao * Radek Biernacki Altera: David Banas Julia Liu Hazlina Ramly Andrew Joy Consulting: Andy Joy ANSYS: Samuel Mertens * Dan Dvorscak * Curtis Clark Steve Pytel Luis Armenta Arrow Electronics: Ian Dodd Cadence Design Systems: Terry Jernberg * Ambrish Varma Feras Al-Hawari Cavium Networks: Johann Nittmann Celsionix: Kellee Crisafulli Cisco Systems: Ashwin Vasudevan Syed Huq Ericsson: Anders Ekholm IBM: Greg Edlund Intel: * Michael Mirmak Maxim Integrated Products: Mahbubul Bari Mentor Graphics: * John Angulo Zhen Mu * Arpad Muranyi Vladimir Dmitriev-Zdorov Micron Technology: Randy Wolff Justin Butterfield NetLogic Microsystems: Ryan Couts Nokia-Siemens Networks: Eckhard Lenski QLogic Corp. James Zhou Sigrity: Brad Brim Kumar Keshavan Ken Willis SiSoft: * Walter Katz Todd Westerhoff Doug Burns * Mike LaBonte Snowbush IP: Marcus Van Ierssel ST Micro: Syed Sadeghi Teraspeed Consulting Group: Scott McMorrow * Bob Ross TI: Casey Morrison Alfred Chong Vitesse Semiconductor: Eric Sweetman Xilinx: Mustansir Fanaswalla Ray Anderson The meeting was led by Arpad Muranyi ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Opens: - None -------------------------- Call for patent disclosure: - None ------------- Review of ARs: - Michael M restart interconnect task group meetings Wednesdays 8am or 9am PT - Done - 8am PT Wednesdays - Michael M provide examples to show what IC vendors need - Moved to interconnect task group ------------- New Discussion: - Fangyi: We are now discussing some issues in two meetings - Arpad: This will speed things up - Fangyi: The concern is about the time spent in meetings - Walter: We should have interconnect status reports on the ATM agenda - Radek: We can try the two meetings but the burden may be too much BIRD 123.4 IBIS-AMI New Reserved Parameters for Jitter/Noise: - Walter showed the BIRD - Walter: This is mostly copy and paste into the new format - Mike L: Why does it have draft 2? - Walter: It is being reworked ahead of the next Open Forum submission - Walter: The Tx_DCD definition changes - Arpad and Bob had questions on editorial format - Walter: RjDj is changed to Dj in one place - David Banas asked for an additional clarification sentence about Rx_Clock_Recovery_Dj. - 0.0 is changed to "" in some places - Examples changed to Example where there is only one - David also requested a change to Rx_Rj, should we discuss this now? - Arpad: We need time to think about this - Walter: Rx_Noise can be Info or Out, the latter was omitted - Some Defaults are given as "Illegal" - Bob: "Undefined" may be better - Walter: The editorial group should handle this - Ambrish: For Rx_Clock_Recovery_Sj the typ/min/max order is wrong for Corner - Walter: There is no order constraint for Corner - Walter saved the document as draft 3 and will send it for posting - Arpad: We should all look over the unaccepted changes AR: Walter send updated BIRD 123.4 for posting Walter motioned to untable BIRD 121 - Arpad seconded - There was no objection - Walter: Greg Edlund may have comments on parts of this BIRD 150 Dependency Table: - Walter showed BIRD 150.1 - Arpad: Will this be in the new format? - Walter: It will be converted - Arpad: Eliminating Type could reduce errors and size - Walter: Usage must be before Table - Bob: ColumnTypes should be ColumnUsage - Arpad: It is required for the referenced parameters to be defined above - Mike L: Types in DependencyTable is redundant - Bob: Disagree, or it should at least be spelled out that way - Walter: I can rewrite this incorporating Arpad's idea - Radek: If DependencyTable is a new format it can have new rules - Walter: Rs and Voh are Info because the EDA tool uses them - Arpad: If only the dependency table uses a parameter it should not be Info or In - Info means it is for the tool and In is for the DLL - Walter: The tool implements the dependency table - Arpad: This is a small distinction, but it may confuse developers - Walter: Adding DT_control may be confusing - Mike L: The dependency table is not a third executable - All parameters go to either the DLL or the tool AR: Walter send updated BIRD 150.1 for posting Arpad: More responses to the recent emails about working directory would help - Walter: It should be the CWD when the simulation is run ------------- Next meeting: 25 Sep 2012 12:00pm PT Next agenda: 1) Task list item discussions ------------- IBIS Interconnect SPICE Wish List: 1) Simulator directives